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		<title>By: Vegard Sandvold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vegard Sandvold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TillCLech
Please do me a favor and write a blog post on ontologies and their role in search. I need to learn from you :-)

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Please do me a favor and write a blog post on ontologies and their role in search. I need to learn from you <img src='http://www.thingsontop.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the excellent explanation!</p>
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		<title>By: Vegard Sandvold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vegard Sandvold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JanHøydahl
Excellent insights on working with unstructured data. Keep ambitions to a minimum, apply a few fixed top level categories, and expose more sophisticated (and possibly unreliable) metadata as facets within each category. This is how I percieve Google&#039;s new search options.

The dolphins/apple example is a tougher one, and I expect it will require some kind of clustering or semantic analysis to produce categories suitable to query disambiguation. It&#039;s certainly not a manual effort. I believe Bing does something along these lines.

I try to avoid the model problem and the need for manual tagging by insisting on keeping the model as simple as possible. Better to make something that actually works, rather than something that only looks good on paper. Reality doesn&#039;t always live up to our expectations :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JanHøydahl<br />
Excellent insights on working with unstructured data. Keep ambitions to a minimum, apply a few fixed top level categories, and expose more sophisticated (and possibly unreliable) metadata as facets within each category. This is how I percieve Google&#8217;s new search options.</p>
<p>The dolphins/apple example is a tougher one, and I expect it will require some kind of clustering or semantic analysis to produce categories suitable to query disambiguation. It&#8217;s certainly not a manual effort. I believe Bing does something along these lines.</p>
<p>I try to avoid the model problem and the need for manual tagging by insisting on keeping the model as simple as possible. Better to make something that actually works, rather than something that only looks good on paper. Reality doesn&#8217;t always live up to our expectations <img src='http://www.thingsontop.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jan Høydahl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Høydahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Vegard. The idea of identifying structure and scents is crucial in planning for an enterprise search application.

However, applying the model to your data is very often a tough job. How to you tag all those documents, intranet pages, articles and other pieces of information with the right category(ies) without relying on too much manual human effort, and without burdening information producers with the boring task of filling in a ton of meta data (which in practice will not be done according to experience)?

For instance, how do you come up with the disambiguation question for &quot;Dolphins&quot;? Or &quot;Apple&quot;? Manual classification can be a veery time consuming endeavor and even building the rules for automatic classification is most often beyond the clients budgets and expectations.

I&#039;ve found that, for domains with mainly unstructured data, build only a small category tree for categories which can easily and reliably be deduced from the data itself or metadata such as data source, file path etc. For digging deeper, rely on identifying meaningful entities of information and extract those automatically from the text and offer them as facets or tag clouds. Structured, normalized data soruces are of course much easier to deal with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Vegard. The idea of identifying structure and scents is crucial in planning for an enterprise search application.</p>
<p>However, applying the model to your data is very often a tough job. How to you tag all those documents, intranet pages, articles and other pieces of information with the right category(ies) without relying on too much manual human effort, and without burdening information producers with the boring task of filling in a ton of meta data (which in practice will not be done according to experience)?</p>
<p>For instance, how do you come up with the disambiguation question for &#8220;Dolphins&#8221;? Or &#8220;Apple&#8221;? Manual classification can be a veery time consuming endeavor and even building the rules for automatic classification is most often beyond the clients budgets and expectations.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that, for domains with mainly unstructured data, build only a small category tree for categories which can easily and reliably be deduced from the data itself or metadata such as data source, file path etc. For digging deeper, rely on identifying meaningful entities of information and extract those automatically from the text and offer them as facets or tag clouds. Structured, normalized data soruces are of course much easier to deal with.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Elvhage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Elvhage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog post Vegard! I love your thinking about thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog post Vegard! I love your thinking about thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Till C. Lech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Till C. Lech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ontologies vs. mental models

Great blog post, Vegard! Just a small comment on the topic on mental models vs ontologies: You do perfectly right in calling the categories in your mind a mental model rather than an ontology. 

While an ontology (along the lines of Gruber&#039;s definition) is a formal, explicit specification of some conceptualization that allows for categorisation, and (if it is any good) some degree of reasoning, our mental models are implicit, flexible and can be re-arranged in an ad-hoc manner any given time. Within our mental models we can &quot;pogo-stick&quot; between our internal tabs in a ridiculously effortless manner. Which is, for example, why we understand jokes (if the joke is any good).

This, needless to say, is why categorisation is so hard and why it so often fails. Which underlines the importance of your first point: Get into your users&#039; heads and find out how they organise their world.</description>
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<p>Great blog post, Vegard! Just a small comment on the topic on mental models vs ontologies: You do perfectly right in calling the categories in your mind a mental model rather than an ontology. </p>
<p>While an ontology (along the lines of Gruber&#8217;s definition) is a formal, explicit specification of some conceptualization that allows for categorisation, and (if it is any good) some degree of reasoning, our mental models are implicit, flexible and can be re-arranged in an ad-hoc manner any given time. Within our mental models we can &#8220;pogo-stick&#8221; between our internal tabs in a ridiculously effortless manner. Which is, for example, why we understand jokes (if the joke is any good).</p>
<p>This, needless to say, is why categorisation is so hard and why it so often fails. Which underlines the importance of your first point: Get into your users&#8217; heads and find out how they organise their world.</p>
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